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* [http://uk.farnell.com/linear-technology/lt1761es5-2-5-pbf/ic-ldo-volt-reg-2-5v-0-1a-5-tsot/dp/1531492 a 2.5V, 300mV drop out, 100mA, 20V max power supply] will allow operation at 2.8V:). | * [http://uk.farnell.com/linear-technology/lt1761es5-2-5-pbf/ic-ldo-volt-reg-2-5v-0-1a-5-tsot/dp/1531492 a 2.5V, 300mV drop out, 100mA, 20V max power supply] will allow operation at 2.8V:). | ||
Adjustable voltage regulators seem like they offer the voltage reqd (order of 2.5 to 2.7V) at acceptable dropout voltages - order of 0.3V | ==Adjustable voltage regulators== | ||
These seem like they offer the voltage reqd (order of 2.5 to 2.7V) at acceptable dropout voltages - order of 0.3V. | |||
But the fine print is hard to follow, so far I have investigated several families to find either I can not understand them or they have secondary voltage requirments above 4V; | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/linear-technology/lt3080est-pbf/ic-adj-ldo-reg-0v-to-36v-1-1a-sot/dp/1556601 LT3080EST three pin regulator] requires a source voltage > 1.25V higher than output although Farnel calls it a 350mV dropout :(. 2.7+1.25 is nearly 4V, way after the LEDs have lit up. This is Farnell missing the note in the datasheet, and quoting the voltage dropout for a different part in the family. | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/lm2931ctg/v-reg-ldo-adj-3-24v-2931-to2205/dp/1211139 LM2931CTG automotive volt regulator] This guy is just plain confusing. There are about 10 extra components in the application circuit. The guidance for selection of the output capacitor sent me of to work out the resonant freqency of tantalum caps. For which I apparently need the equivalent series inductance (ESL) - which no devices I looked at on Farnell mentioned in the datasheet, and this is the easy components. Meanwhile, I recall that I am advised to increase the size of the capacitor because the operating voltage is low.. by an unspecified amount. Next. | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/lm2931ctg/v-reg-ldo-adj-3-24v-2931-to2205/dp/1211139 | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/micrel-semiconductor/mic2941awu/ic-reg-ldo-1-25a-adj/dp/1556739 MIC2941AWU automotive voltage regulator] is restricted to 4.3V inputs at temp != 25degrees. Confused? Yes, definitely. The datasheet has headline operating parameters specified for 25 degrees - that appear in the first page product blurb, and much more constrained parameters for the for the full tempreture range of -40 to +125degrees. Naturally the blurb claims the regulator operates from -40 to +125degrees. To cap it off there is no derating guidance. I am not used to datasheets being written by sales droids. Next. | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/ncv4276adsadjg/ic-voltage-regulator/dp/1703366 NCV4276] minimum input is 4.5V - just Farnell's search tool not dealing with input voltage ranges. | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/micrel-semiconductor/mic29152wu/ic-v-reg-ldo-1-5a-adj-smd-29152/dp/1100648 MIC29152WU 1.5A Adj] might be an ok regulator. It is 26V input continuous, 50V 10mSec spikes. 5mA minimum load. Unfortunately, the datasheet is ambiguous. The headline voltage dropout figure is 340mV, but all the electrical characteristics are quoted for 1V margin over the regulated voltage... so not sure how well it will do the job... | |||
And there appears to be a better choice.. | |||
* [http://uk.farnell.com/linear-technology/lt3008edc-pbf/ic-adj-ldo-reg-0-6v-to-44-5v-20ma/dp/1692192 LT3008 20mA 0.6 to 44V] 200mV dropout, or 500mV at higher tempreture. Since high temp is associated with daylight or lots of wasted power this should be fine. Needs a resister network, and two caps. | |||
==digikey options..== | |||
* [http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/LT3008ETS8-2.5%23TRMPBF/LT3008ETS8-2.5%23TRMPBFTR-ND/2074413 LT3008 2.5V fixed] from Digi-Key. Is easier to check for alignment on board. Doesn't need the resister network. And is cheaper. | |||
==Diodes for rectifying AC == | ==Diodes for rectifying AC == |
Revision as of 22:07, 2 April 2012
Dave Brown - hacker in spirit.
Project Ideas
Project | Status | Notes |
Reconfigurable sailing proa | plan | Rob Denny at http://www.harryproa.com has some interesting things to say about Proas and how they could be the basis for a cheap, high performance, spacious sailing cruising boat. Perhaps the ideal cruising boat :). I want to explore the sailing characteristics in a model. |
LED lights and lenses for my bike | plan | http://pilom.com/BicycleElectronics/DynamoCircuits.htm explains the matching of LEDs to bike generators. I plan to have several strings of LEDs with different beam angles and aiming points - and the appropriate string of LEDs turned on for the curent bike speed.
Success criteria:
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Project Status
Bike Headlight
Have ordered LEDs, reflectors and lenses. Have an attiny85 from the space components. Still need a dynamo, some diodes, mosfets, npns, a circuit and some firmware - oh and maybe a heatsink for the LEDs:). The project is moving along.
Have received the LEDs (white Lambertian (but not the reflectors etc). Have a bottle dynamo, but don't know much about it yet.
Still thinking about what the maximum voltage for the LED strings will be ..
At 0.7A and 25deg junction temp, voltage per LED varies between 3.03(min), 3.7(typ), 4.47(max). And 3.9V(typ) at 1A current.
Some uncertaintity - current might just get to 0.5 A but I am sure the junction will be hotter than 25C, and see but no indication of change in V drop with temp in the datasheet :(.
Assume 4.0V per LED - gives 16V for 4 LEDs, and 24V for 6 LEDs.
Am expecting 4x30deg, 3x15deg and 3x5deg reflecters.
Originally thinking of four LED strings
- - very low speed - just a 120 deg med power LED (with voltage doubler to get the reqd V)
- - low speed - one 30deg
- - med speed - one 30deg, one 15deg
- - high speed - one 15deg, two 5deg
Of course, the length of the strings depend on the V generated by my bike speed.. so not really predictable
Simplify (only last 3 strings) and no V doubler.
thinking space
New link on impedance matching and MCU control of bike lights :). I am not sure what this means for my circuit and plans.
Indicator LED
The voltage regulator requires some current draw for stability, and I dont want it to go haywire is the MCU stops n a breakpoint and dosnt eat enuf current... and I would like to have an 'I am working LED' that is pointing at me...
The minimum current is 1mA, so I have picked a 2mA red LED (should preserve night vision and show up well during the day) from Farnells catalog.
- 18mcd, 60degree, SMD LED looks fancy in the jpg and is cheap - £0.51 for 5.
Switches for LED current
- This SMD Dual Logic Level MOSFET will control two sets of LEDs directly from the MCU - given enough heat-sink capability on the board and enough voltage from the MCU (3.3 or 5v compatibke , Has ESD, over temp and over current protection... is really tiny! If the logic level REALLY needs to be 3.3v then that is an issue :( 3.3v logic turns into about +3.45v regulator (3.3v + a 200mV diode drop to allow the MCU tp be reprogramed in circuit) with 415mV regulation margin - nearly 4v reqd for the MCU.. when the LEDs start to light up near 3v :(.
- This TO220 MOSFET should carry the 0.5a curent - perhaps without any heatsinking at all. and combined with a small transister should operate well at a supply voltage of 3v.
- This PNM34UN is 2A mosfet, with Rds of 0.08 at 1.8V throu to about 0.05 at 4.5V; max Vds of 30V; £0.16 each. there are several similar parts at Vds 30V for a bit more money.
- PMN27UN is similiar to the above; but 20V max Vds with a bit smaller Rds(on) - also marginally cheaper.
There are a few impacts of this choice..
- SMD or through hole!!!
- Many fewer devices from the SMD integrated logic level MOSFETS
- Higher operating voltages might be required by the SMD MOSFETs
I need to establish the maximmum operating voltage!
Voltage regulator for the MCU
Needs to operate of a widely varied supply voltage. The dynamo generates a voltage proportional to the bike speed. Potentially reaching hundreds of volts. And the higher the voltage climbs, the more power I can use in the LEDs! Many components to deal with 0.5A are specced at about 40 to 60V - so that is a very high limit for the working voltage. A chain of 6 LEDs would need 24v. My plans are for 3 LEDs in a chain - so 20V is a good target. MCU Vcc of 3V (supporting 10MHz clock) these are some possible regulators.
- 3.0v, 200mV drop out, 50 mA, max 40v supply from a 3.2V diode bridge supply :). It is a 4 pin SMD device for £1.60.
- 3.0v, 120mV drop out, 50mA, 16V max supply will do above from a 3.12V supply, but restricts me to chains of fewer than four LEDs. £0.46
- 3v, 350mV drop out, 100mA, 30V max supply is a small 3 pin through hole package for £0.46. Required voltage is now 3.35V :(.
MCU Vcc of 2.5V (max clock of 8Mhz)
- a 2.5V, 300mV drop out, 100mA, 20V max power supply will allow operation at 2.8V:).
Adjustable voltage regulators
These seem like they offer the voltage reqd (order of 2.5 to 2.7V) at acceptable dropout voltages - order of 0.3V.
But the fine print is hard to follow, so far I have investigated several families to find either I can not understand them or they have secondary voltage requirments above 4V;
- LT3080EST three pin regulator requires a source voltage > 1.25V higher than output although Farnel calls it a 350mV dropout :(. 2.7+1.25 is nearly 4V, way after the LEDs have lit up. This is Farnell missing the note in the datasheet, and quoting the voltage dropout for a different part in the family.
- LM2931CTG automotive volt regulator This guy is just plain confusing. There are about 10 extra components in the application circuit. The guidance for selection of the output capacitor sent me of to work out the resonant freqency of tantalum caps. For which I apparently need the equivalent series inductance (ESL) - which no devices I looked at on Farnell mentioned in the datasheet, and this is the easy components. Meanwhile, I recall that I am advised to increase the size of the capacitor because the operating voltage is low.. by an unspecified amount. Next.
- MIC2941AWU automotive voltage regulator is restricted to 4.3V inputs at temp != 25degrees. Confused? Yes, definitely. The datasheet has headline operating parameters specified for 25 degrees - that appear in the first page product blurb, and much more constrained parameters for the for the full tempreture range of -40 to +125degrees. Naturally the blurb claims the regulator operates from -40 to +125degrees. To cap it off there is no derating guidance. I am not used to datasheets being written by sales droids. Next.
- NCV4276 minimum input is 4.5V - just Farnell's search tool not dealing with input voltage ranges.
- MIC29152WU 1.5A Adj might be an ok regulator. It is 26V input continuous, 50V 10mSec spikes. 5mA minimum load. Unfortunately, the datasheet is ambiguous. The headline voltage dropout figure is 340mV, but all the electrical characteristics are quoted for 1V margin over the regulated voltage... so not sure how well it will do the job...
And there appears to be a better choice..
- LT3008 20mA 0.6 to 44V 200mV dropout, or 500mV at higher tempreture. Since high temp is associated with daylight or lots of wasted power this should be fine. Needs a resister network, and two caps.
digikey options..
- LT3008 2.5V fixed from Digi-Key. Is easier to check for alignment on board. Doesn't need the resister network. And is cheaper.
Diodes for rectifying AC
This diode should allow be low voltage drop - to get the LEDs working at lower speeds. Need to be >10V barrier. Higher barrier gives higher drops. So chosen 15V barrier diode.
light sensor
All the Farnell photo-resistors are through hole; makes sense I guess as that way they can be poked through a hole in the casing.
- photo-resistor or LDR is cheapest at £0.27 - now to find out how to use it, and if there is a reason to spend more.
20V, 30V or 60V diode bridge.
From what I read yesterday, the voltage drop of a schottky diode is a function of the junction temp, the current passed, the reverse voltage barrier, and the size of the diode junction (which I guess becomes cost). There is this £3.19 diode 9A/15V that has a Vf for 1A at 25C less than 250mV. If you could heat the junction to 100C it would be about .1V!! AT 100mA it is less than 200mV Vf.
Since the voltage out of the dynamo is essentially a function of the road speed, it could be quite high. leading to my difficulties in finding low Vf diodes..
If I put a pair of zener diodes across the output of the dynamo - before the rectifier, then the rest of the circuit is limited to only that voltage, and the diodes in the bridge recifier are limited to half of that.
I am not sure if 20V or 30V is the right target voltage for the rectifier. Higher voltages get more complex, as larger logic level MOSFETs seem to need 5.5 to 4.5V gate voltages rather than 3V, 2.5V or even 1.8V. Also, low-drop-out v-reg that will take > 30V as input are rare.
I am leaning towards 20V (or 18V to split the diff between LEDs and specs).
If 20V then 10V/1A seems a useful diode to rectify 0.5A with low losses.
- 2A 250mV drop at 0.5A 10 for a £ :)
MCU programming
All AVR MCUs come with debugWire disabled :( - see Connecting to a board with JTAG MK2.
To enable debugWire I need to use ISP/ which needs MISO,MOSI,SCK and RESET, VCC, and GND! Can do with the DIP by programming before putting in the board; using a socket.
I wonder how the users of SMD packages manage it?
rough design
- dynamo->AC
- AC->2 crossed 5% 19V zener diodes to clip(+/- 5% -> 18 to 20V output) to safe range of rest of system
- AC->diode bridge->DC (using 10-15V diodes, loose .5V so 17.5 to 19.5 max V)
- (three of)DC->LED strings->logic level 20V mosfets->GND
- DC->2.5V reg->Vcc->MCU->GND (requires DC >= 2.8V)
- AC->diode-> 100k resister->(MCU int0 pin)->2.5V zener diode->GND
- MCU_reset->Reset_debugWire->100k resistor->Vcc
- MCU_[3*gpios]->MOSFET Gates
- DC->1M resister->MOSFET_on->2.7V zener diode->GND (hardware default this MOSFET to on)
- MOSFET_off(two off)->1M resistor->GND (hardware default these MOSFETs to off)
- Vcc->LightDependentResistor->MCU_[ADC]->10k resistor->GND
(Micro-controller programming)
- DC->prog supply pin
- Vcc->Vref_debugWire
- Gnd->Gnd_debugWire
NOTES
If the LEDs light up below 2.8V, then I need to think about lower voltage supply for MCU.
One LED string should default to ON - so that while the MCU is booting there is a power consumer to stop capacitors charging to unsafe voltages.
Not sure what the failure modes are and what protection should be added.
Plans for cooling of LEDs are still vaugue.
firmware design
pseudo code
isr(int0) { freq++ ; } isr(counter_2_overflow) { // copy current freq to main line, reset freq. } isr(adc_complete) { copy adc value to mainline; } isr(counter1_...) { // implement the lighting policy ?flip the current MOSFETs bit.. ?change the current MOSFET ?change the counter target } void main() { setup() ; // set the ports, direction etc. for(;;) { if (newFreq) { { DISABLE_ISR ; copy new freq ; } if new freq != old freq adjust policy; } if (newLumons) { { DISABLE_ISR; copy new lumons; } if new lumons != old lumons adjust policy ; } } }
inputs and conditioning
policy ideas
- if it is dark provide constant light immediately.
- if it becomes light, wait for a few seconds to confim it stays light, and then start flashing the lights to make it easier for others to see the bike.
- as the speed increases, spend more time with tightly focussed lights lit
- as the speed decreases, spend more time with flood lights lit.
- Flashing LEDs use less power, maybe can lit up high speed strings at lower speeds?
- Flashing LEDs have higher power limits, so should be able to flash low speed floods even at high speed - to get attention from road users at large angles to the bikes direction of travel.
- Aim to match the power available to the power consumed by the LED strings
policy mechanism
Four intervals of variable length, applied to selected string of LEDs: off, string-a on, off, string-b on.
The intervals are defined as an array of counter[4]. The LED strings by the MOSFET number in an array of mosfet[4];
This will allow:
- the fading from spots to floods gradually:).
- day lashing patterns to be set using any two strings of LEDs.
policy config
- night vs day lumonosity value.
- samples of day light required for flashing to start.
- freq exponential smoothing factor (power of 2)
- night freq bounds[4] between {floods | mix | medium | mix | spots}
- day freq bounds[N] between flash patterns
- day flash patterns[N]
user config
policy values in miles per hour? or are they automated from load/power info?